Posts by return visitor

22 and jehovah god went on to say: "here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite," 23 with that jehovah god put him out of the garden of e den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken.

return visitor

AGuest:

you maked my point for me.

And why wasn’t Adam allowed to get back to the Tree and eat? Because he… the one who wanted so much to be “like God,” that he compromised not only his own life but that of ALL who came from him… would then be able to live… FOREVER.

God didn't allow Adam to eat from the tree and live forever. If I withheld something necessary for my child to live I would be considered a murderer. You say that God was right to do it but you don't say that he didn't do it.

Most killers justify their actions. Think of all of the wars and how killing the enemy is justified.

My point is this, if God did not intervene after Adam ate from the tree of good and bad then Adam could have lived forever, the bible says so and God can not lie.

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Wife went to bed in tears again. Sept KM this time. Her response..

by oompa in

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ok, slowly awakening and fading at the same time for two years now, and did not plan it.

i tell my wife last night i have been having some interesting e-mails with my dad about the qb from the sept km we are to study this week.

she says she has read it, but does not remember it.

return visitor

Sorry about your situation. I'd pray for you but science has prooved it doesn't do any good.

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I must say Goodbye for now

by KW13 in

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this may not be a forever goodbye, but its certainly a goodbye to this stage of my life because i need to make real progress instead of just talking about it.

i may post the odd post on a rare occasion, but its not part of my plan really.. i posted a topic called the truth, which was originally going to be my farewell to this forum.

i think with my current situation, having a son and having a family that requires my attention it would be wise for me to move on in some shape or form, because i dont want the negativity of the watchtower society to rub off on my son and give him any of the grief and worries i had when i was growing up.

return visitor

I hope the best for you and yours.

Hey lets have a...

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Did God kill Adam & Eve?

by return visitor in

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we were taught by the borg that death is the result of sin.

however, notice what the genesis account says:.

22 and jehovah god went on to say: "here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite," 23 with that jehovah god put him out of the garden of e den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken.

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Yes i see your point mate. But look at it from God's viewpoint he gave them life & everything they needed to sustain it and all he asked for in return was their obedience but they couldn't even do that.
So surely God had a right to judge them in the way that he chose to.

I gave my son life, can i judge him anyway I chose to? Can I condemn him to death?

Think about this, if I put a gun on my childs dresser and told him not to touch it, would I be a good parent? No a loving father would not put it there to begin with. For all intent and purpose Adam and Eve were children (even though adult) inocent and inexperianced. If you believe the Genesis account I can't see how you say god is a loving father.

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Did God kill Adam & Eve?

by return visitor in

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we were taught by the borg that death is the result of sin.

however, notice what the genesis account says:.

22 and jehovah god went on to say: "here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite," 23 with that jehovah god put him out of the garden of e den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken.

return visitor

We were taught by the borg that death is the result of sin. However, notice what the Genesis account says:

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And Jehovah God went on to say: "Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite,—" 23 With that Jehovah God put him out of the garden of E´den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken. 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of E´den the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life.

So it wasn't sin that did them in, it was god taking away the tree of life. Well i ask you if I deprived someone of something that they need to live, like food or air, and they die as a result then didn't I kill them? Doesn't that make me a murderer?

Just asking, what do you think?

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I've made up my mind :-)

by Redbeard in

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hi everyone, don't know if you remember me, i posted a topic a while ago because i was in need of advice about what to do in my life - so to all you who took your time and posted caring replys and good advice, i just want to say that i've made up my mind - i'm continuing my fade for the fourth month and i'm gone from the borg for good.

if some elders decide to stick their nose in it, i'll shut the door myself.

there's no future in staying in there for the sake of anyone else, lying to yourself and everyone else.

return visitor

good luck in all of your endevors in life. Don't be a stranger

RV

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How to fade successfully?

by Maddie in

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i want to fade from the org but i am not really sure how many meetings i should miss to begin with.

is it best to decrease them gradually or go once a month?

i have a son and baby grand daughter that are jw's and belong to a different congregation.

return visitor

On the way out that is sound advice, I wish I had said it.

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How to fade successfully?

by Maddie in

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i want to fade from the org but i am not really sure how many meetings i should miss to begin with.

is it best to decrease them gradually or go once a month?

i have a son and baby grand daughter that are jw's and belong to a different congregation.

return visitor

Hello Maddie and welcome to the board,

As you can see, I have been a member of the board for just under a year when I started my fade. I faded for the same reasons as you, I have a daughter and grandchild still in. I have been successfull so far but have made some mistakes. My first and biggest mistake was believing that I could tell my daughter why my meeting attendence was dropping. The big light went off in my head when I learned of the Orgs. involvement with the UN and when I told her this it was not the responce I thought it would be. We got past that by me trying to explain that I don't believe that means the org. is wrong, I just need time to see how I feel about it. The longer I don't go the more she seems to accept that I'm not comming back. But be carefull not to say too much. For me that is very hard, I want people to know that I am not just falling away, that it is a concious decision, but I can't do that and keep my daughter.

It sucks that after we leave we still have to play their game.

Again welcome,

RV